Medical Fraud Expert: ‘Unless You’re Very, Very Aggressive, You’re Going To Lose A Lot Of Money’

By ANDREW VILLEGAS
KHN Staff Writer
Provided by Kaiser Health News
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Every year, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services loses an estimated $65 billion to criminals who defraud the health care system, according to Lou Saccoccio, executive director of the National Health Care Anti-Fraud Association. And it’s his mission to stop it.

There are almost-daily examples of these very expensive activities: A husband -wife doctor team in Texas pled guilty to billing Medicare for narcotics and procedures they never administered to patients. A Miami man submitted $61 million in false Medicare claims for the treatment of patients with HIV, AIDS, cancer and other ailments at eight Miami and Orlando-area health clinics. A ring in Detroit was charged with paying Medicare beneficiaries several hundred dollars to get their information and then billed the government $14.5 million for medical services never performed.

And officials say the health system is increasingly targeted by organized crime. The federal government has “strike forces” in fraud hot spots to root out the grifters.

Saccoccio sees his organization as well-positioned to assist. It is a partnership of private insurance companies, law enforcement and regulatory agencies working together to shut down – or at least reduce – the health system’s vulnerabilities.

Saccoccio, a lawyer who was a senior vice president at America’s Health Insurance Plans, says fraud is bound to happen in a system worth $2 trillion a year. The goal – one he says is achievable — lies in limiting the damage it does to the system. Saccoccio talked with KHN’s Andrew Villegas recently, here are edited excerpts of that interview:

Lou Saccoccio, executive director of the National Health Care Anti-Fraud Association.

Q: Why is fraud so rampant in the system? What can be done to stop it?

A: The health care system in this country is very convoluted. You have private payers and public payers. You have all the different insurance companies and Medicare and Medicaid, well over a million health care providers of some type. It’s inevitable that unless you’re very, very aggressive about going after fraud you’re going to lose a lot of money.

Information sharing is important — information sharing among the payers both on the public and private side because when you see fraud being committed in, for instance, Medicare, a lot of the same schemes are being committed on the private side as well.

Q: How successful are the “strike forces” that operate in places like Miami at deterring and investigating fraud? Should CMS continue to replicate them?

A: They definitely have been successful and they’re an important tool — but they’re only one tool. You’re not going to be able to go out and criminally prosecute every instance of fraud in the system. You don’t have the resources to do that. So what you do is you look at the geographic areas of the country that seem to have the greatest problems and you create these strike forces and you go out and you indict people, you convict people, you put people in jail and you send a message.

Q: How much could delaying Medicare payments when fraud is suspected [a proposal by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa] help alleviate the problem?

A: I think that would help. That doesn’t mean you have to delay all claims. But I think there should at least be an exception where, if there’s an issue about potential fraud, the government gets additional time to look at those claims without having to necessarily pay interest down the road. Obviously, you want to make sure that the vast majority of providers that aren’t committing fraud are paid on time. But they have to understand that sometimes they may have to wait just a little bit longer to make sure that the integrity of the system is protected.

Q: Combating fraud is typically reactive. Is that the best way forward? What role — and how large — should auditing play?

A: Auditing is part of it and certainly an increase in the auditing area would help.

Let’s take home health care just as an example. You know [the profile of] an average home health care agency based on billing histories in the past and you’re expecting to see a certain footprint or look to that kind of company. When you have a company that opens and all of a sudden they are billing for certain services that are well above what the other companies may be billing, you need to have edits in place to say “OK, hold on, before we start sending checks some place, let’s take a closer look at this.”

Q: If you could put one policy or program in place tomorrow, what would you do?

A: I would put resources into having CMS take the data that they have available and work with their contractors and the states that pay the Medicaid claims (to combine data). And if you take all of that claims data that they have between Medicaid and Medicare and start analyzing it, you [could] identify where problem areas are. CMS does some of that now, but they do it more on an ad hoc basis than on an all-claims-federal/state database where they could analyze all of those claims in that real-time way to identify potential fraud and stop that money before it goes out the door.

This article was reprinted from kaiserhealthnews.org with permission from the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. Kaiser Health News, an editorially independent news service, is a program of the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan health care policy research organization unaffiliated with Kaiser Permanente.

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5 Responses to “Medical Fraud Expert: ‘Unless You’re Very, Very Aggressive, You’re Going To Lose A Lot Of Money’”

  1. Alex says:

    In my experience of shadowing physicians, I’ve observed that physicians may charge for more than what they already did. I am curious if that is a result of debt and the disparity of wealth within the medical profession. Hospital CEOs making 500K+ a year, pharma spending 40 billion on ads, GPs making 150k with the same debt as a ortho making 400K. Can we reduce debt and resolve this?

    The second thought that comes to mind…is that if the former doesn’t work, then perhaps what we really need to do is look within the system itself. This medical fraud is clearly unethical. Medicine is a service profession, yet people say that you need to do what is necessary to survive. Survive what? I imagine most doctors never having to worry about problems that the middle/lower socioeconomic class need to overcome on a daily basis. Sometimes we think about what we “deserve,” instead of what we “ought to do.” Everything now is a means to an end, rather than an end in itself.

    I believe this is an issue where the responsibility falls upon everyone-You can blame the doctor for doing what he/she did, but you can also blame the adcoms that let that person into the field. You could blame the nurses and fellow colleagues for not checking the records, but you could also blame the profession itself for being against whistleblowing.

    It scares me to enter a profession that in many ways has lost its moral compass, whether it is from our MTV culture that spits out shows like House, Grays, Scrubs, ER, and the like, or the backfired get-rich scheme where attendings and R1-3s say “Why did I do this? There are so many other ways to be rich.” Tis a sad time to be in medicine, unfortunately.

  2. MedMan says:

    Alex: Fraudulent behavior can be found in any profession that deals with money. The medical profession is no exception, nor has it ever been. While I agree with you that it is unfortunate that this type of behavior exists in medicine, there are close to 1 million physicians practicing in this country and no matter how high we set the ethical standard for doctors, there are going to be some bad eggs out there.

    How much debt a doctor has or how much an orthopedic surgeon makes compared to a GP has little to do with it. Orthos make more money because they spend more time in residency. Doctors have a lot of debt because training physicians is costly. The doctors who decide to engage in fraud aren’t doing it because they are “just trying to survive”. They do it because they are ethically unsound. A doctor with good ethics isn’t going to turn to fraud just because he/she has a lot of debt to deal with or because they are upset that they aren’t making as much as some of their colleagues.

  3. MedMan says:

    By the way, I think it’s a great time to be in medicine. The vast majority of physicians are not criminals and do not engage in fraud. While there are many who regret entering medicine, there are many who don’t. I think it all boils down to your attitude rather than how much you make, how much debt you have, how much specialists make compared to GPs, how Obama wants to change health care, etc.

  4. MedMan says:

    And lastly, if you truly have witnessed a physician committing fraud as I *think* you alluded to in the first line of your post, you should report it.

  5. Medisgreat says:

    Alex the things you say are typical of a premed.. Doctors take a ton more slack (regarding their salaries) than do nurses and other HC professionals.. The “policing” you suggest that nurses do is non-sensical:
    1) Nurses are not more educated than doctors when it comes to the practice of medical treatment
    2) Nurses are not more educated than billers/administrators when it comes to the beauracracy and logistics of medicine.
    3) Nurses do not stand on a higher moral ground (though some may believe it) than do doctors… nurses commonly unionize and strike for greater salaries. Putting their patients at great danger for the sake of a “raise”.

    To say that MDs lack a moral compass is myopic and you lack any general experience with medicine in a clinical setting (as you admitted your “vast experience” is limited to your shadowing). Why any future doctor out their would advocate for nurses to Police doctors is beyong me.. but this definitely sounds like premed “over-achievary”..why make such remarks, its not going to get you any closer to gaining admission into any med school.


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